Beware new wave of anti-Muslim feelings

[lskrvf]

How come you didn't say anything about the genocide happening in Sadan? You changed the subject.

BOTH sites you sent me are about slave traders. NOT Genocide.

Let's talk about what the so-called peaceful religious Arab Muslims are doing in Sadan AFrica. Don't try to change the subject. You have a bad habit of doing that.

[Umer]

Ok, I'll read upon that subject, and accusing me of changing the subject, you really do make me laugh sometimes, who was the one who went from the topic to Crusades? does it say anywhere in the topic about the Crusades? then you tell me why we muslims remember something like the Crusades? you brought it up, and then when I answer you about the Crusades you change the subject to genocide in Sudan and various other things that have nothing to do with the subject, the topic is about inidividual people's feelings, not politics as you started to change the subject on. Now, I hope you don't want me to quote you where you changed the subject numerous times, because it'll just take too much of my time, it's hard to quote from previous posts, so please don't make me, so I think you're completely contradicting yourself like always, in fact, every time you have told me that I'm changing the subject is never true, it's always me answering your false accusations. Just like this one, I will find out, I'll read stories of both sides, may take me a while cause I goto school, work and play video games in my leisure time, not searching for world problems. BUT JUST FOR YOU I WILL, but please don't falsely accuse me of changing the subject, like I said: Don't make me quote you.

[GYMMY]

The situation the Ummah is in today is because of many thing's and some if not most are because of our own actions. When a person leaves God and stops asking for thing's and repentance then he leaves them and stays like this untill those people return back to him. Allah becomes angry when his slaves stop asking him for repentence.

There are 24 hours in a day and 7 days in a week, 5 prayers a day and 35 in a week. All five prayers may take you an hour a day. This results in 23 hours for sleep and normal everyday things you may do, like work. Between prayers Allah forgives your sins. If I told you I was going to pay you 5 times a day and all you had to do is clean yourself and stand in a line for five minutes to get paid, wouldn't you do this? I can probly say something like 70% of muslim's dont prayer 5 times a day or as they should. Everything begins with one's self and every problem in the history of Islam that has weakened it has been a internal one. From the fitnah with Mu'ayyiya to the split of the Uthmani empire over such a small disagreement.

It is about time that we change ourselves and help ourselves and stop standing in the line of the Kuffar and get back in the muslim line. Stop asking the Kuffar for money and take our own. It is a shame that when the Tsunami disaster took place Kuwait and Saudia Arabia combined only gace 25 million dollars when the poorest of the royal family has this.

But as for the agression of the pigs and apes, the jews and the spiteful christians. This is a history that will repeat itself when a group of people from these religions wishes it too. As Allah said about them... "do not take them as your advisers and friends because they hate you and what is in there heart is even worst".

There are good people from both of those religions as I know some of them but a lot are evil and ploting against this deen everyday. If the Muslim's were strong and together with there weopens and men, do you think the current wars would have happened? NO. Bush would have been another lame duck president who was terrified by the Jamaah of the Ummah as was clinton.

So yes we used patience for a while and we worked with the Kuffar for a while trying to resolve some issues but we left the deen and turned our back on islam. And the Kuffar gathered there Army's and occupied our land. YA Ickwa, Al-qudd's is occupied, Afghanistan is occupied, Iraq is occupied, our brothers in chechnya are being slaughtered, our brothers in Eritrea are eing slaughtered!! When are we going to wake up and return to commanding good and forbidding evil?

Hey goofball, the U.S. was ASKED to come to the holy land when Iraq Invaded Kuwait in 1990. In 2002, The U.S. ASKED to come to the holy land to wage war against the biggest threat to stability in the Middle East, and were welcomed with open arms by your bretheren. Osama was just pissed at daddy for cutting him out of his will.

[wewant2no2]

The situation the Ummah is in today is because of many thing's and some if not most are because of our own actions. When a person leaves God and stops asking for thing's and repentance then he leaves them and stays like this untill those people return back to him. Allah becomes angry when his slaves stop asking him for repentence.

There are 24 hours in a day and 7 days in a week, 5 prayers a day and 35 in a week. All five prayers may take you an hour a day. This results in 23 hours for sleep and normal everyday things you may do, like work. Between prayers Allah forgives your sins. If I told you I was going to pay you 5 times a day and all you had to do is clean yourself and stand in a line for five minutes to get paid, wouldn't you do this? I can probly say something like 70% of muslim's dont prayer 5 times a day or as they should. Everything begins with one's self and every problem in the history of Islam that has weakened it has been a internal one. From the fitnah with Mu'ayyiya to the split of the Uthmani empire over such a small disagreement.

It is about time that we change ourselves and help ourselves and stop standing in the line of the Kuffar and get back in the muslim line. Stop asking the Kuffar for money and take our own. It is a shame that when the Tsunami disaster took place Kuwait and Saudia Arabia combined only gace 25 million dollars when the poorest of the royal family has this.

But as for the agression of the pigs and apes, the jews and the spiteful christians. This is a history that will repeat itself when a group of people from these religions wishes it too. As Allah said about them... "do not take them as your advisers and friends because they hate you and what is in there heart is even worst".

There are good people from both of those religions as I know some of them but a lot are evil and ploting against this deen everyday. If the Muslim's were strong and together with there weopens and men, do you think the current wars would have happened? NO. Bush would have been another lame duck president who was terrified by the Jamaah of the Ummah as was clinton.

So yes we used patience for a while and we worked with the Kuffar for a while trying to resolve some issues but we left the deen and turned our back on islam. And the Kuffar gathered there Army's and occupied our land. YA Ickwa, Al-qudd's is occupied, Afghanistan is occupied, Iraq is occupied, our brothers in chechnya are being slaughtered, our brothers in Eritrea are eing slaughtered!! When are we going to wake up and return to commanding good and forbidding evil?

Hey goofball, the U.S. was ASKED to come to the holy land when Iraq Invaded Kuwait in 1990. In 2002, The U.S. ASKED to come to the holy land to wage war against the biggest threat to stability in the Middle East, and were welcomed with open arms by your bretheren. Osama was just pissed at daddy for cutting him out of his will.

Very well said: Funny how some people forget the facts about what happened in 90. The US has been ask a lot of times to go into different countries and help. I wonder why people like to forget these things? Some even say that the US has never helped any country in the world. Can you believe that? They only believe what they want to believe in, and what bad propaganda they hear.

Take care....

[AbdurRazzaq]

The situation the Ummah is in today is because of many thing's and some if not most are because of our own actions. When a person leaves God and stops asking for thing's and repentance then he leaves them and stays like this untill those people return back to him. Allah becomes angry when his slaves stop asking him for repentence.

There are 24 hours in a day and 7 days in a week, 5 prayers a day and 35 in a week. All five prayers may take you an hour a day. This results in 23 hours for sleep and normal everyday things you may do, like work. Between prayers Allah forgives your sins. If I told you I was going to pay you 5 times a day and all you had to do is clean yourself and stand in a line for five minutes to get paid, wouldn't you do this? I can probly say something like 70% of muslim's dont prayer 5 times a day or as they should. Everything begins with one's self and every problem in the history of Islam that has weakened it has been a internal one. From the fitnah with Mu'ayyiya to the split of the Uthmani empire over such a small disagreement.

It is about time that we change ourselves and help ourselves and stop standing in the line of the Kuffar and get back in the muslim line. Stop asking the Kuffar for money and take our own. It is a shame that when the Tsunami disaster took place Kuwait and Saudia Arabia combined only gace 25 million dollars when the poorest of the royal family has this.

But as for the agression of the pigs and apes, the jews and the spiteful christians. This is a history that will repeat itself when a group of people from these religions wishes it too. As Allah said about them... "do not take them as your advisers and friends because they hate you and what is in there heart is even worst".

There are good people from both of those religions as I know some of them but a lot are evil and ploting against this deen everyday. If the Muslim's were strong and together with there weopens and men, do you think the current wars would have happened? NO. Bush would have been another lame duck president who was terrified by the Jamaah of the Ummah as was clinton.

So yes we used patience for a while and we worked with the Kuffar for a while trying to resolve some issues but we left the deen and turned our back on islam. And the Kuffar gathered there Army's and occupied our land. YA Ickwa, Al-qudd's is occupied, Afghanistan is occupied, Iraq is occupied, our brothers in chechnya are being slaughtered, our brothers in Eritrea are eing slaughtered!! When are we going to wake up and return to commanding good and forbidding evil?

Hey goofball, the U.S. was ASKED to come to the holy land when Iraq Invaded Kuwait in 1990. In 2002, The U.S. ASKED to come to the holy land to wage war against the biggest threat to stability in the Middle East, and were welcomed with open arms by your bretheren. Osama was just pissed at daddy for cutting him out of his will.

Firstly, in 1990 the Saudi Government invited the united states there, the people were opposed to the idea. There were two princes and they disagreed on what to do. One of them said they should bring the united states to defend them and the other said they should brinng the Afghan Arabs that fought in Afganistan who had already sucessfully kicked the soviots to hell and back. Ofcourse from what history taught us, they decided to bring the US.

The saudi Government is corupt and there is no doubt about that. The whole government isnt bad but a big portion of it is. I know there good people in the government there because I went to school there, lived there, and ate there for pratically free because they pay for most of the students living arrangements. So I don't think they should be overthrown, the best way to keep peace there is too let them be and if they do something that is absolutely against Islam again, then something should be done too them.

Actually if you read my post throughly you would understand that I was saying that us Muslims have a lot of problems and Im not blaming everyone else for them. Everytime someone gets there head cut off Im not creaming MOSSAD. There is no doubt though that the mossad would love to make us look bad, they say this openly and have used there expertise in this issue against the palestinian, may Allah bless them.

So learn how to read and have respect for other people before you try to argue with me. Im not uneducated like some of the people here and Im not saying things that come from desires or any other thing like this. Im just telling you what I know, that its.

[AbdurRazzaq]

wewant2no2, do you honestly think they went to saudi arabia to help people. they went there to protect there oil.

[Maoist_guerrilla]

The anti-Muslim and anti-Arab is nothing new in america. They have a long history of not being tolerant towards other religions and cultures.

[photekxl]

The anti-Muslim and anti-Arab is nothing new in america. They have a long history of not being tolerant towards other religions and cultures.

Another statement made by someone who clearly has no idea what the hell they're talking about. Really getting annoying...

There are huge Arab and Muslim communities in every major city in the U.S Chicago has one of the biggest and they are allowed to practice and preach just like people of other religions.

Not tolerant of other people? haha, Bush allows people to jump the border from Mexico into this country every day and doesn't even think we need border patrol, AND he wants to give legal status to all undocumented aliens.

If you swim from Cuba to the U.S and you get caught in the water, you will be sent back. But if you make it to land, the U.S will throw you in jail then release you the next day with essentially an asylum status.

There's more people of more religions and cultures in the U.S than probably anywhere else in the world, don't be so ignorant.

Of course there are people who are intolerant, stupid Southern hicks and neo-nazi assholes. But they are a minority. You're not going to generalize about the whole country just because of a small group of people, just like it is STUPID for anyone to suggets that Islam is a religion of violence and all Muslims are violent.

[Maoist_guerrilla]

The anti-Muslim and anti-Arab is nothing new in america. They have a long history of not being tolerant towards other religions and cultures.

Another statement made by someone who clearly has no idea what the hell they're talking about. Really getting annoying...

There are huge Arab and Muslim communities in every major city in the U.S Chicago has one of the biggest and they are allowed to practice and preach just like people of other religions.

Not tolerant of other people? haha, Bush allows people to jump the border from Mexico into this country every day and doesn't even think we need border patrol, AND he wants to give legal status to all undocumented aliens.

If you swim from Cuba to the U.S and you get caught in the water, you will be sent back. But if you make it to land, the U.S will throw you in jail then release you the next day with essentially an asylum status.

There's more people of more religions and cultures in the U.S than probably anywhere else in the world, don't be so ignorant.

Of course there are people who are intolerant, stupid Southern hicks and neo-nazi assholes. But they are a minority. You're not going to generalize about the whole country just because of a small group of people, just like it is STUPID for anyone to suggets that Islam is a religion of violence and all Muslims are violent.

So why is it that hate crimes have went up so much against these people since the September 11th attacks? It shows that your people have no tolerance for people who live lifestyles outside of the lifestyles you think they should be living. For years and until this day Native American tribes and black Africans have suffered from the injustices of your country. What's with this "undocumented alien" (more proof of how hateful and xenophobic yankees are towards immigrants) crap you amerikans constantly bring up? The last time I checked the u.s. southewest (a.k.a. occupied Mexico) was stolen in a land seizure from Mexico. MEXICANS have more of a right to that land than you anglo-saxon and judaic parasitic amerikans. They didn't jump the border, the border jumped over them. Once amerika collapses the yankee enemy better be ready to defend the land it stole because it will be returned to its rightful owners.

[photekxl]

So why is it that hate crimes have went up so much against these people since the September 11th attacks? It shows that your people have no tolerance for people who live lifestyles outside of the lifestyles you think they should be living. For years and until this day Native American tribes and black Africans have suffered from the injustices of your country. What's with this "undocumented alien" (more proof of how hateful and xenophobic yankees are towards immigrants) crap you amerikans constantly bring up? The last time I checked the u.s. southewest (a.k.a. occupied Mexico) was stolen in a land seizure from Mexico. MEXICANS have more of a right to that land than you anglo-saxon and judaic parasitic amerikans. They didn't jump the border, the border jumped over them. Once amerika collapses the yankee enemy better be ready to defend the land it stole because it will be returned to its rightful owners.

This isn't going to take too much typing. Let me just tell you right now in that whole, big paragraph you wrote, there are...zero...valid points.

Why did hate crimes increase? Because there are ignorant and stupid people who'll believe stupid generalizations. It's so ironic, your question. YOU generalize about the American population (close to 300 MILLION people) because of the acts of maybe a few hundred, and in the exact same way, the people you're talking about GENERALIZED about the Muslim population when they committed crimes against Muslims.

How much of the country do you SERIOUSLY believe was supportive of these crimes? People who were caught went to jail, and rightly so.

When there is some outcry in the Muslim world about something America or another country did, people sometimes gather in the streets and burn flags.

Now, if there was a shop or shops in those streets owned by an american you don't think some would take revenge on it and vandalize it or threaten the american who works there???

Starting to see the point?

The bottom line is you just have NO CLUE, because you've obviously never lived in (or it doesnt even seem visited) the U,S. How many muslims own busineses in this country? How many are successful? How many raise families? How many immigrate here?

As for mexican immigrants, my point was that there is plenty of leway for them once they get here. They work hard for little money but they can get drivers licenses, buy cars, own houses. They can get promotions. There is a plan to give amnesty to every illegal mexican immigrant currently in the country. You can talk your xenophobic b.s all you want, I've grown up on 3 different continents and travelled around the world, neither I, nor the vast majority of americans have anything against foreigners. These are stupid stereotypes fabricated by people who have never even BEEN here. Just like stupid stereotypes that Islam is a religion of "violence."

And this is not the time to bring up stolen land from Native Americans. Is this generation of Americans at fault for what happened hundreds of years ago???? That is NOT relevant in this argument.

And as if America is the only country to have taken or stolen land??? Hahah read a world history book my friend. This doesn't make it right, but don't make it seem like every country in the world is friendly and angelic while America is the devil.

You can criticize America about its policies but don't start with the Native American stuff and don't make claims about intolerance here without coming here and looking at the muslim communities and especially don't disproportionalize the post-9/11 hate crimes of a couple of hundred of people when there are almost a third of a billion here!!! By doing that you're doing the EXACT same thing as those stupid people who attacked Muslims and their property after 9/11!!

[stormseal]

THERE IS ONLY ONE RELIGION AT THE MOMENT THAT IS CLASSED AS TERRORISTS AND THAT IS THE RELIGION OF ISLAM, LETS GET AWAY FROM THE BULLSHIT OF THE CRUSADES AND WHAT HAPPENED MANY YEARS AGO SAME AS SLAVERY WELL THE ARABS SHOULD KNOW ALL ABOUT SLAVERY BECAUSE IT WAS THEM THAT STARTED SLAVERY IN THE FIRST PLACE.

HOW IN HELL CAN SOME MORONS COME INTO FORUMS AND ATTEMPT TO JUSTIFY THE BEHAVIOR OF ISLAMIC TERRORISM, ALL OVER THE MIDDLE EAST AND ELSEWHERE IN THE WORLD WE HAVE HORRIFIC EXAMPLES OF HOW PEACELOVING THE ISLAMIC RELIGION REALLY IS>>> DONT WE<<<.

THE TALIBAN IN AFGANISTAN WERENT THEY JUST WONDERFULL

SADDAM HUSSIENS DICTATORSHIP EVEN BETTER

BOTH SHINING EXAMPLES OF HOW WONDERFULL ISLAM IS

THE DIFFERENCE IS THIS THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION IS ALL BASED ON ONE GOD AND THE TEN COMMANDMENTS WRITTEN WITHIN THOSE SCRIPTURES, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE MODERN CHRISTIAN WORLD TO COMPLY EXACTLY WITH WHAT IS WRITTEN IN THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE SO WE ATTEMPT TO COMPLY WITH AS MUCH AS WE CAN .

NOW THE ISLAMIC QORAN IS COMPLYED WITH DEPENDING IN WHICH PART OF THE ISLAMIC WORLD YOU LIVE IN, DIFFERENT LAWS ARE APPLYED IE THE DIFFERENT APPLICATION OF THE QORAN IN AFGANISTAN AS AGAINST THOSE ADHERED TO IN OTHE MUSLIM STATES, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR ANY MODERN ISLAMIC PERSON TO COMPLY WITH RULES AND LAWS THAT WERE WRITTEN MANY MANY MANY YEARS AGO, ALL THEY CAN DO IS ATTEMPT TO COMPLY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WITH THE WRITTEN COMMANDMENTS/WORDS.

NOW MOVE ON TO RECENT YEARS IN MY COUNTRY WE HAVE LARGE COMMUNITIES OF PERSONS OF DIFFERENT FAITHS AND CULTURES, QUITE CLOSE TO ME I HAVE A MOSQUE, I DONT STAND OUTSIDE THAT MOSQUE TRYING TO CONVERT MUSLIMS TO BECOME CHRISTIANS NEITHER DO I ATTACK THEM, IN FACT THE BUILDING THEY ARE USING WAS ONCE A CHRISTIAN CHURCH, DOESNT MATTER TO ME THAT IT IS NOW A MOSQUE, IT IS STILL A PLACE OF RELIGION AND GOD/ALLAH THE NAME IS THE SAME, JUST THAT WE WORSHIP HIM IN DIFFERENT WAYS.

WHY THEN WAS IT RIGHT FOR ISLAMIC TERRORISTS TO LAUNCH A HORRIFIC ATTACK USING AEROPLANES, THERE CAN NEVER BE ANY JUSTIFICATION FOR THAT AND YET IT HAPPENED, IT WASNT CHRISTIAN TERRORISTS THAT DID THAT IT WAS ISLAMIC TERRORISTS, THEN WHAT OCCURRED AFTER THAT WAS JUST AS HORRIFIC, TO SEE TELEVISION PICTURES OF PEOPLE OF THE ISLAMIC FAITH IN SEVERAL ISLAMIC COUNTRYS CELEBRATING THE DEATHS OF 1000,S OF INNOCENT PEOPLE, THERE WERE WOMEN CHILDREN AND MEN ON THOSE PLANES, SOME OF THEM EVEN TALKING ON MOBILE PHONES TO THERE FAMILYS ON THE GROUND UP UNTILL THE PLANES CRASHED INTO THE BUILDINGS, AND WHAT DID THE ISLAMIC NATIONS DO >> CONDEM THE HIJACKERS>>>>>>>>NO<<<<<< THEY WERE CLASSED AS MARTYRES TO ISLAM >>>>>>>>> NOW THATS DISGUSTING <<<<<.

The Prophet (Pbuh) has strictly forbid assassination in a brutal and painful manner. Likewise animals too should not be killed in that manner. Passengers of hijacked planes and persons taken hostage too, suffer in the same manner. Hijacking too is a threat to peace and freedom so it has no support in the Islamic Shariah. Such acts done, even with the most noble and great cause in mind have no justification under Islamic jurisprudence


After the conquest of Mecca, the Prophet (pbuh) issued special instructions that Islam is dedicated and committed to peace, justice and humanity. There is no place of disorder and terrorism in Islam. Islam invites mankind towards virtue. Those who link Islam, its teachings and symbols, practices, institutions with destruction and terrorism are terrorists themselves and pose a threat to peace, security and healthy civilized life.


IF THAT ATROCITY HAD NOT BEEN COMMITTED THEN JUST MAYBE WHAT FOLLOWED IE THE INVASION OF AFGANISTAN AND THEN IRAQ MAY NEVER HAVE HAPPENED, THE ISLAMIC WORLD LOST THE SUPPORT OF MOST OF THE WESTERN NATIONS THROUGH THAT ONE ACT OF BARBARISM, THE ORCHESTRATOR OF THAT HORRIFIC ATTACK WAS OSSAMA BIN-LADEN THE HITLER OF THE ISLAMIC WORLD HE AND THE OTHER TERRORISTS THAT WERE PART OF THIS HORRIFIC DEED ARE CONDEMNED IN THE BOOK OF THE QORAN.
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WELL NO DOUBT IN MY MIND WHAT THE RULES OF JIHAD ARE MAYBE THE INSURGENT/TERRORIST HAVE FORGOTTEN WHAT THE RULES ARE SO HERE IS A REMINDER >>>>>>>>> BUT AS USUAL THEY WILL SAY THAT THE RULES IN REGARDS TO MURDERING PRISONERS AND INNOCENTS DO NOT APPLY TO THEM, IF SO, THEN IN WHO,S NAME ARE THE TERRORISTS/INSURGENTS FIGHTING JIHAD!!!!!!!!!!!

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[onethousandcuts]

Will you stop writing in big font or in all caps Stormseal? It's equivalent to someone talking over everyone else to dominate a discussion.

Concerning the statement that America has no tolerance for other cultures and ways of life, i think that the U.S. tolerates other cultures, but doesn't necessarily apprecriate them. While this is perhaps a little Narcissistic, it is not a crime. If America starts banning muslims from public buildings, that would be time to complain.

The hightened anger towards muslims after the September 11 attacks is a reflex of a small portion of Americans who make themselves heard by talking loud and writing in all caps like stormseal.

[stormseal]

onethousandcuts

are you racist or just suffer from negative thought, why is it in your mind that everyone that appears to disagree with you, or those of the muslim faith automatically jump to the conclussion that i/we are either Jewish ,or American??? , if you wish to air views on discrimination/ religion, or politics then you should look no further than your own faith , because as i and a whole lot of others see it , the muslim faith openly descriminates against anyone that is not of the muslim faith, mainly against non_ muslims that reside in Muslim countrys, so maybe the muslim faith should look inwards at its own record of human rights and achievments before it makes allegations and levels accusations at other countrys, as i see it all faiths that reside in countrys in the west , and America, are allowed to follow whatever religion or faith they chose including places of worship, that is certainly not the case in the Islamic countrys, non muslims are not allowed to hold any position of authority over muslims, are not allowed to freely practice their faith with out fear of assault and intimidation by muslims, are not allowed the same protection of the law as muslims, and are openly persecuted and on many occassions even murdered by muslims, without fear of condemnation, or prosecution, as all the muslim has to say, and they do, is that the person that they murdered, insulted them or blasphemed against the quoran, and the quoran states that any muslim is entitiled to kill anyone not of the muslim faith and get away with it, the Islamic law in regards to evidence given by any non muslim against any muslim is an insult to the rest of the worlds religions , and to justice in general, and let me tell you this Canada has allowed the Muslims to set up Islamic Courts in Canada, that will never, never, happen in my Country or any other Democratic country.